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Religion row disrupts council

10:05pm Thursday 3rd July 2008

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By Tristan Kirk »

A ROW broke out at a council meeting over the presence of some members during the opening prayers.

Councillor Doug Mills, a Conservative cabinet member, when answering a question about community cohesion at a full meeting of Hillngdon Council tonight, accused some Labour councillors of ignoring their duties to all their constituents by not attending the prayer session.

He said: "They have a duty to respect all religions and I think their failure to turn up regularly to prayers is not a sign of that respect.

"If it had been a Muslim doing prayers and we Conservatives had stayed outside, they would accuse us of being racist."

He was refering to some of the Labour representatives who arrived at the meeting after the regular prayer had been said at the start of meeting, tonight in the Christian tradition.

But Labour councillors reacted with anger at Cllr Mills suggestions, asking for his comments to be retracted, with cries of "shame, shame" ringing across the council chamber.

Councillor Anthony Way, leader of the Labour group on the council, said: "That is out of order.

"I found it reprehensible and hope I never hear the like again in this chamber."

Cllr Mills turned his attention especially towards Councillor Sidharath Garg, who is the prospective parliamentary Labour candidate for Uxbridge and South Ruislip He said: "He is not just an ordinary backbench councillor, he has put himself up for higher office.

"He has a higher duty to represent all his potential constituents."

Labour councillors argued it was a matter of personal preference, but the heated debate was cut short as Councillor Brian Crowe, Mayor of Hillingdon, insisted on a return to the question session.

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susan, local says...
9:21am Fri 4 Jul 08

if you dont attend prayers that is showing respect, especially if you do not believe, if you attended it would be pure hypocracy. Faith is a personal thing and once it becomes a political football it resorts in all manner of carnage. Good on those who didnt attend! what are the conservatives frightened of? people with their own opinions. Up the revolution!

Paul Millington, Reading says...
12:35pm Fri 4 Jul 08

Why does the council meeting have an opening prayer session at all?

Stuart Hartill, Isle of Man says...
12:56pm Fri 4 Jul 08

We have a few godbothering timewasters like that in government over here.
Frankly, if they're not devout and organised enough to pray before they leave home they're disorganised hypocrites who should never have been elected.

Martin, Oxford says...
12:57pm Fri 4 Jul 08

This is the gentle drip-drip advance of religion. With renewed vigour those claiming allegiance to ancient doctrines feel its rituals should be performed by others.

It is with typical narrow-mindedness that these folk can't recognise that non-believers may be just a insulted by the presence of religous superstitions as much as they are by its absence. But that, of course, is a concept the holy cannot grasp.

Mark, Bournemouth says...
1:09pm Fri 4 Jul 08

There is a situation that seems to be happening increasingly often. It is when someone assumes that a group would be upset or offended by something. So they take offense on behalf of that other group. This often happens with religion and usually the person who takes offense by proxy shares, or thinks they share a mutual benefit from taking that position. They are usually wrong in their belief that the other group would be offended. In fact the group usually feels offended by their assumption!

This type of offense by proxy is a bad bad bad thing. We badly need a word for it so that we can call it out and put a stop to it! It is almost always highly divisive and counter-productive.


Rob A, Harrow says...
1:53pm Fri 4 Jul 08

They have a duty to respect all religions


They have a duty to respect individuals' rights to hold religious beliefs (or none), but they don't have a duty to respect relgion.
For example, I don't respect the suppression of women, but if you want to believe in it I respect your right to.

Keith, England says...
2:52pm Fri 4 Jul 08

But surely the non religious have equal rights to have their views respected and to be offended by overt displays of religion or is it that those not attached to organised religions have become less equal citizens. Many consider that religions do not hold the moral high ground and should not be allowed to dominate the agenda on the basis of the unproven.

Dave, Brighton says...
3:49am Sat 5 Jul 08

It is not very confidence inspiring that legislators who believe in nonsense should be making laws on our behalf.

As us geeks say: Nonsense in, nonsense out

the Rev, East Anglia says...
7:33am Sat 5 Jul 08

what a fascinating article. A point worth remembering.
God is all forgiving, anyone not attending prayers will be forgiven, especially if the reasoning behind the decision not to partake was based on their own belief. Too many people use faith as an excuse to cause trouble. Be warned Mr Mills, this will come back to haunt you I suspect.

JonD, Hayes says...
1:07pm Sat 5 Jul 08

The council chambers are not a good place at the moment with another disruptive session this week about motions and amenments and sandbagging by the conservatives. The leader of the council is inviting religious people to speak to chamber members - Why?
Schools in this country do not insist on religous assembly in the mornings unless its a religious based school, but individuals do not have to attend, why are the council insisting that is different for them?
Hillingdon Council are a shambles

Frank Long, Hillingdon says...
8:20pm Thu 10 Jul 08

How sad that these people getting their knickers in a twist about prayers have nothing more important to worry about. Council meetings should be about matters that concern the best interests of Hillingdon residents. There should be no place for religion of any description.

gary, Ruislip says...
5:00am Fri 11 Jul 08

it is a total disgrace that councilors cannot respect the faith and values that this country was founded on it also a total disregard for all those men and women that spilt their blood to defend those values,people make reference to racisim about other cultures here is a classic example of reverse racisim and a total example on how these people ingnore the community they supposidly represent the treatment of indigenous peoples across this globe is utterly unacceptable in favour of the idiotic pc brigade

jenny, local says...
6:57am Sat 12 Jul 08

Gary, a small education lesson. People didnt fight two world wars for the C & E. In fact they fought for democracy and free speech, the right to an opinion. All faiths fought alongside eachother and the councillors who didnt attend prayers, made their own decision to abstain. WHATS WRONG WITH THAT. or maybe you want a council full of hypocrites like Councillor Mills do you?

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