Column: What religion was Jimmy Saville?

Hillingdon Times: Column: What religion was Jimmy Saville? Column: What religion was Jimmy Saville?

This question was posed to me the other day. I didn’t know the answer.

After some research I found out he was supposedly a Roman Catholic. To me this did not matter. Why would it? His reputation was is in tatters and his victims must live with his actions for the rest of his lives.

He was permitted to get away with abusing vulnerable people for many years. His repulsive acts have been well-documented over the past few weeks.

His religion however has not been mentioned. The reason is because many commentators, journalists and editors don’t feel his religion had anything to do with the way he acted.

Then again, we could well blame his culture. Could it be that Jimmy Saville as a supposed 'fine upstanding member of the community' was a paedophile because of the way he was brought up?

Was it his Britishness that made him into this pervert? Maybe it had a lot to do with where he was born?

Asking these questions does kind of make me sound slightly weird.

This should come as a defining moment for the media. Not just the BBC but all members of the press.

Most Asians will know where this is going. But this is not a time to gloat like some people have been doing.

In the past two years sections of the community have had to question how and why members of their race and religion were involved in vile and sickening acts.

Many within the community have openly spoken up against the actions of a minority and rightly so.

When a perpetrator was Asian his background, religion and upbringing was explored. This was a regular occurrence.

This was soon followed by countless debates and discussions about how we could ‘culturally’ and ‘religiously’ challenge these problems.

Now, I have to say I don’t mind all of these things being questioned. Yet, as a writer I find I have seen journalists only look to print stories because there was in fact an ‘Asian / Muslim angle’ to the story.

The problem many people will have is that in that the preceding weeks since this scandal broke, there has been an eerie silence when it came to Jimmy Saville’s background.

Should it matter at all? Should a whole religion and community be somehow implicated in this?

I don’t care what his religion he was. I don’t care how he was brought-up. What I do care about is what the victims went through and how they have to deal with being treated in this way.

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4:30pm Fri 2 Nov 12

nayna ray says...

Raising a very interesting topic here. Usually whenever there is a 'bad-guy' in the news, something about his background is revealed so that he can be labelled and whenever he is a certain religion, it never fails to be mentioned. Its interesting that is hasn't happened in this case...
Raising a very interesting topic here. Usually whenever there is a 'bad-guy' in the news, something about his background is revealed so that he can be labelled and whenever he is a certain religion, it never fails to be mentioned. Its interesting that is hasn't happened in this case... nayna ray
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9:09pm Fri 2 Nov 12

suzete12 says...

what utter rubbish his background or relgion had nothing to do with it the man was mentally ill no more no less . why would you say asians know where you are going with this story????????????/
Do you have a greater understanding of this kind of behaviour???
what utter rubbish his background or relgion had nothing to do with it the man was mentally ill no more no less . why would you say asians know where you are going with this story????????????/ Do you have a greater understanding of this kind of behaviour??? suzete12
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1:48am Sat 3 Nov 12

Rosy37 says...

What????? Savile has been repeatedly identified as a Catholic in many online reports by UK journalists. It has been mentioned that he was once blessed by the Pope, and people have speculated as to whether this fed his sense of untouchability. During the last week there have been reports from the BBC and others of demands that the Catholic church should strip him of honours conferred for his charity work (apparently this is technically impossible since the titles he was awarded expire upon death). It may well be that journalists are more interested when they think there is a Muslim angle, but to say there is an 'eerie silence' surrounding Savile's religion is simply untrue.
What????? Savile has been repeatedly identified as a Catholic in many online reports by UK journalists. It has been mentioned that he was once blessed by the Pope, and people have speculated as to whether this fed his sense of untouchability. During the last week there have been reports from the BBC and others of demands that the Catholic church should strip him of honours conferred for his charity work (apparently this is technically impossible since the titles he was awarded expire upon death). It may well be that journalists are more interested when they think there is a Muslim angle, but to say there is an 'eerie silence' surrounding Savile's religion is simply untrue. Rosy37
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1:54am Sat 3 Nov 12

Rosy37 says...

PS just google the search term 'savile catholic' and see what you find.

I rest my case.

I have no idea what you mean by doing 'research' in order to discover he was a Catholic. One click of a mouse, perhaps?
PS just google the search term 'savile catholic' and see what you find. I rest my case. I have no idea what you mean by doing 'research' in order to discover he was a Catholic. One click of a mouse, perhaps? Rosy37
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7:04am Sat 3 Nov 12

MarkinAfrica says...

Dear All,

Remember this, above all things, if there is a God then we are all worshiping the same God. We have just put different names to God.

Second, above all things, acts of violence and acts of gross disrespect - theft, etc., are globally regarded as wrong! Other 'sins' - envy, greed, **** - have to be qualified. Almost everyone feels these, but it is how we control them that matters. I would prefer to think of charity as a virtue, for example, than greed as a sin.

JS came from a background and a style of living that taught him 'wrong' things. There are many parts of the world like that. Religion, especially if you aren't a practicing 'devout', does not always sort out the good from the bad. What we should learn from religion is that it teaches us to be a 'little better' - as my mother used to teach us in Sunday School, rather than perfect. But only those of us who have been blessed with a reasonably normal mind will ever understand that. For those who haven't, then religion and religious teachings can wash over them, without ever soaking in. More important than going to services, or prayers, is to allow the right stuff to soak into us.

Love to all, compassion to all, prayers for those especially whose 'souls' are troubled!!
Dear All, Remember this, above all things, if there is a God then we are all worshiping the same God. We have just put different names to God. Second, above all things, acts of violence and acts of gross disrespect - theft, etc., are globally regarded as wrong! Other 'sins' - envy, greed, **** - have to be qualified. Almost everyone feels these, but it is how we control them that matters. I would prefer to think of charity as a virtue, for example, than greed as a sin. JS came from a background and a style of living that taught him 'wrong' things. There are many parts of the world like that. Religion, especially if you aren't a practicing 'devout', does not always sort out the good from the bad. What we should learn from religion is that it teaches us to be a 'little better' - as my mother used to teach us in Sunday School, rather than perfect. But only those of us who have been blessed with a reasonably normal mind will ever understand that. For those who haven't, then religion and religious teachings can wash over them, without ever soaking in. More important than going to services, or prayers, is to allow the right stuff to soak into us. Love to all, compassion to all, prayers for those especially whose 'souls' are troubled!! MarkinAfrica
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12:06pm Sat 3 Nov 12

the_voice_of _reason says...

Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at the age of six and the marriage was consummated when she was nine years old.............disc
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Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at the age of six and the marriage was consummated when she was nine years old.............disc uss the_voice_of _reason
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12:18pm Sat 3 Nov 12

hendom says...

Very poor article.
''I don’t care what his religion he was. I don’t care how he was brought-up.''
Yet the religious still claim that having a religion forms our moral codes, and push for more religion in schools.
If anyone does anything good for society you are happy to claim it's inspired by their religion.
The question also assumes everyone has a religion, whereas in the U.K. 50% of us do not. And I believe we are a better nation because of this.
Very poor article. ''I don’t care what his religion he was. I don’t care how he was brought-up.'' Yet the religious still claim that having a religion forms our moral codes, and push for more religion in schools. If anyone does anything good for society you are happy to claim it's inspired by their religion. The question also assumes everyone has a religion, whereas in the U.K. 50% of us do not. And I believe we are a better nation because of this. hendom
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11:15pm Sun 4 Nov 12

escapee from blackburn says...

Good attempt at highlighting double standards. But I think you are wrong in this case. Jimmy Saville's background has been and is being explored, namely his employment in the media which gave rise to access to vulnerable children. Similarly the employment of Asian men mainly, but not exclusively( as we will soon find out in another case in the coming months) in the north, such as late night takeaways and taxi drivers, gave rise to access to such vulnerable children. What is clear is that these perpetrators fail to understand (or don't care) that what they are doing is wrong. There can be no doubt that there is a greater incidence of the Asian men being of Pakistani descent who engage in this activity. It is tempting to leap to the conclusion that there are peculiarly Pakistani characteristics / influences at play. Maybe. However I think it is more likely that the people who Commit these crimes are engaged in the type of employment I have mentioned, which gives them the means and opportunity to engage in this activity. I too thought we were being victimised at one point, but given the number of cases, I think we perhaps need to start looking at our communities!!
Good attempt at highlighting double standards. But I think you are wrong in this case. Jimmy Saville's background has been and is being explored, namely his employment in the media which gave rise to access to vulnerable children. Similarly the employment of Asian men mainly, but not exclusively( as we will soon find out in another case in the coming months) in the north, such as late night takeaways and taxi drivers, gave rise to access to such vulnerable children. What is clear is that these perpetrators fail to understand (or don't care) that what they are doing is wrong. There can be no doubt that there is a greater incidence of the Asian men being of Pakistani descent who engage in this activity. It is tempting to leap to the conclusion that there are peculiarly Pakistani characteristics / influences at play. Maybe. However I think it is more likely that the people who Commit these crimes are engaged in the type of employment I have mentioned, which gives them the means and opportunity to engage in this activity. I too thought we were being victimised at one point, but given the number of cases, I think we perhaps need to start looking at our communities!! escapee from blackburn
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11:43pm Sun 4 Nov 12

escapee from blackburn says...

P.S.

The religion of either Jimmy Saville or the Rochdale abusers is irrelevant. If either of them truly followed their respective religions they would not engage in such abuse. The Fact is most religious people only follow the parts of their religion that suits them. I suggest the government introduce a tax on religion. which will have the effect of reducing the deficit whilst at the same time identifying who are really God fearing ( and genuine believers / delusional) and those that are merely playing Pascal's Wager!
P.S. The religion of either Jimmy Saville or the Rochdale abusers is irrelevant. If either of them truly followed their respective religions they would not engage in such abuse. The Fact is most religious people only follow the parts of their religion that suits them. I suggest the government introduce a tax on religion. which will have the effect of reducing the deficit whilst at the same time identifying who are really God fearing ( and genuine believers / delusional) and those that are merely playing Pascal's Wager! escapee from blackburn
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11:41pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Warren Raymond says...

Asif Mahmud pretends not to understand that religion matters.

Jimmy Saville, a sexual predator and a pervert, was not motivated by religion or culture.

Muselmaniacs who groom underage British girls for sexual exploitation are mentally, culturally, ideologically and religiously motivated to rape "infidel whores"- that's the difference. It matters.
Asif Mahmud pretends not to understand that religion matters. Jimmy Saville, a sexual predator and a pervert, was not motivated by religion or culture. Muselmaniacs who groom underage British girls for sexual exploitation are mentally, culturally, ideologically and religiously motivated to rape "infidel whores"- that's the difference. It matters. Warren Raymond
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8:20am Tue 6 Nov 12

Julaybib says...

News about the possibility of Savile being stripped of his Papal knighthood was reported across the media. Granted, few are linking Savile's Catholicism or his upbringing to his crimes in the same way as the media does with Muslims, but some commentors have nodded to the global scandal of child abuse among the Catholic priesthood. All in all, this piece is founded on a false premise, and the point in tries to make founders badly. Even 5 minutes research using Google would have made a difference. Shoddy journalism. Asian Image deserves better than this.
News about the possibility of Savile being stripped of his Papal knighthood was reported across the media. Granted, few are linking Savile's Catholicism or his upbringing to his crimes in the same way as the media does with Muslims, but some commentors have nodded to the global scandal of child abuse among the Catholic priesthood. All in all, this piece is founded on a false premise, and the point in tries to make founders badly. Even 5 minutes research using Google would have made a difference. Shoddy journalism. Asian Image deserves better than this. Julaybib
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3:05pm Tue 6 Nov 12

smicer says...

It's obvious what the author is trying to say. Double standards is what is apparent to many of the Asian readers. We all know Savilles religion and also recognise that it has nothing to do with the evil man. The only references made to his religion in this context have as other commentators stated, to distance the Roman Catholic religion from Saville. Rightly so! However, when the perpetrators are Asian and in particular Muslim, then the inferences made by the media and politicians alike are reminiscent of the way the Jews were treated in the early part of the 20th Century. Child abuse is an evil which unfortunately affects all communities and we all need to work together as one community to tackle. The victims are the ones that matter and as obvious, too often they voiced are not heard.
It's obvious what the author is trying to say. Double standards is what is apparent to many of the Asian readers. We all know Savilles religion and also recognise that it has nothing to do with the evil man. The only references made to his religion in this context have as other commentators stated, to distance the Roman Catholic religion from Saville. Rightly so! However, when the perpetrators are Asian and in particular Muslim, then the inferences made by the media and politicians alike are reminiscent of the way the Jews were treated in the early part of the 20th Century. Child abuse is an evil which unfortunately affects all communities and we all need to work together as one community to tackle. The victims are the ones that matter and as obvious, too often they voiced are not heard. smicer
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